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Michael Sampson — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:49:19 +0000

Good summary. The book is worth the (long) read. It is pretty boring for the first 1/4 of it, but gets more interesting from there. If you don’t feel like reading it the video Greg posted covers a lot of what is in the book, but not all of it.

For most people looking to turn their diet around I simply recommend eliminating all grains and soy from their diet. Including oils made from those “foods”. And to not worry about eating too much fat.

Fat Head was a pretty good documentary. Kinda low budget, but mostly full of good info. It is basically a direct rebuttal to “Super Size Me”.

Mark’s Daily Apple is a great source of info on diet. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

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Greg — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:24:06 +0000

Thanks for the link David, that was a pretty technical presentation though, and not quite my area of expertise. I have seen and read other people talking a lot about getting proper Omega 6 – Omega 3 ratios. Current society is way to skewed to Omega 6, and I’ve read we should strive for more near a 1:1 ratio as opposed to like 20:1 how most people are on the high carb western style diet. Seems like a high O-6 ratio leads to more inflammation. I thought it was from lack of Omega 3, and had read how O-3 reduce inflammation, but from Lands’ presentation it seems like the causality is opposite of that. Where it may be more by replacing O-6 with O-3, you reduce your O-6 which reduces inflammation. I’ve seen Robb Wolf mention this and Mark Sisson too on Mark’s Daily Apple. Getting more O-3 in your meat is a reason a lot of people give for eating grassfed beef as opposed to mass market corn fed beef. Good discussion though.

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T. Quinn — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:33:52 +0000

David,

Welcome to the site. I’ll definitely check out the videocast that you and Greg have mentioned, but I’d love to hear a bit more about what Omega-6 does in our bodies. Mind elaborating at all? I’m curious.

Thanks,

Tyler Quinn

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David Brown — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:20:40 +0000

Hi Scott,

In all of the discussions and debate about carbohydrates and fats, something important is being glossed over. It’s not being ignored. It’s just that its importance for health has been underestimated so it doesn’t get the attention it deserves. I’m talking about omega-6 fat.

Gary Taubes, Michael Eades, Jimmy Moore, Amy Alkon, Richard Nikoley, Matt Stone, Peter (Petro Dobromylskyj), Stephan Guyenet, Kurt Harris, and everyone else of note in the low carb/paleo diet discussion community; none of them seem to appreciate the magnitude of the contribution of excessive omega-6 and it’s industrial derivatives to ill health. To be sure, omega-6 is included in the discussion. Everyone is familiar with its effects. It’s just that other health destroying elements have the limelight. For example, here’s a comment from Stephen Guyenet’s blog:

As has been reported in other studies, paleolithic dieters ate fewer total calories than the comparison group. This is part of the reason why I believe that something in the modern diet causes hyperphagia, or excessive eating. According to the paleolithic diet studies, this food or combination of foods is neolithic, and probably resides in grains, refined sugar and/or dairy. I have my money on wheat and sugar, with a probable long-term contribution from industrial vegetable oils as well.

This is typical. And I shared this attitude until just a few months ago. But after watching a presentation by Dr. Bill Lands entitled Why Omega-6 Fat Matters For Your health, I made a small dietary adjustment that promises to make a world of difference for my future health. I stopped eating peanut butter. For nearly forty years I’ve eaten a peanut butter sandwich for lunch 4 to 6 times a week. In just 60 to 70 days, the dull ache in my shoulder muscles has diminished, my leg and arm muscles have gained strength, and the pain I experienced every night when I stretched my tendons and muscles above and below my knees has diminished considerably. Needless to say, I’m extremely pleased with the progress I’ve made thus far and seriously disturbed that the omega-6 problem is nto getting the attention it deserves.

Do watch Dr. Lands videocast. You can access it at: http://videocast.nih.gov/summary.asp?live=8108 After the streaming starts, I suggest you drag the timer button to the 12 minute mark where Dr. Lands is being introduced.

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Greg — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:47:29 +0000

Nice summary Scott! For Myth 2 and 3, I think its important to note the hormone being referenced is insulin (Robb Wolf talks a lot about insulin response). For a little more info on the book, which I need to read still, check out this presentation, given by none other then Mr. Taubes himself. Warning, its LONG (a little over an hour, so stream it to your tv if you can), but well worth it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4362041487661765149#

In Defense of Food is next on my reading list also. Since mid-December I’ve gotten into reading about a lot of this too, and its shocking. For another quick viewing, the documentary “Fat Head” also covers similar material, but put together in a different manner. But it also covers the bases for low carb eating to control insulin, and health benefits of a high fat diet.